What Diesel Package?

[Secret Spot]

Hey guys, I haven't chimed in for a while. I've just been lurking. I have a 23 Billfisher (1983). I have always liked the way my Blackman handled over my buddy's 24 Skipjack (1973). However, since he repowered the Skipjack with a 240 hp Yannmar with a Bravo III duoprop, (I hate saying this) I find myself enjoying the Skipjacks ride more. The diesel transformed his old Skipjack into a fine machine.

In any event, if I was to repower my 23 Billfisher, what would be the best available package out there? I Can't have a Skipjack doing me like this...


Larry - Secret Spot

[yellowfin1]

Larry,

I'm sure Mike will have a recommendation for you. I have the 26' Billfisher and repowered 2 years ago with the AD-41P. I couldn't be happier with it. Unfortunately Volvo doesn't make that engine anymore. Maybe the newer "D" series Volvo would work well. I agree that with the older boats, a repower can make them just like new again assuming they are kept up.

Good luck,
Scott

[NoSlack]

Take a look at the new Volvo D3-190. 400 pounds lighter and 40 HP more power than my current setup looks like a good combo to me. If You're gas now, it looks like it will be small enough to fit in the existing box. If you're diesel now you could reclaim a foot of deck space by down sizing the engine box.

Mike

http://www.volvo.com/NR/rdonlyres/3EE585B3-4030-41C3-BFC7-572D8873E63B/0/D3_DPSEVCC.pdf

[yellowfin1]

There ya go Larry. I knew Mike would have a good answer. Now let's see the Secret Spot with a new engine/outdrive soon.

Scott

[Secret Spot]

Thanks guys, I knew the 190hp was coming. I wonder if there is a jury out on it yet? Spending that kind of money on new technology scares me. This is a one shot deal for me and I would feel a lot better if I knew the D3 was going to perform and show the dependability of the older diesel packages?

Thanks again,

Larry - Secret Spot

[Moo Fish]

CHA CHING!! Maybe 30g's out the door? Suppose you're a plugger that will crusie at 15 knots and whose favorite tool is a cresent wrench? All the new diesel engines are new technology to meet new clean air standards. My 40a keeps on tickin'..........rt

[noquestion25]

I have a 23 outerbanks with a KAD32. Awesome could not be more stoked.
20-21 kt cruise loaded,@3200 rpm. 22kts 1/2 fuel tank. Ave consumption is 3 Gal per hr. The 40 series are to big for the 23 unless it was originally set up for it. Your boat with the 350 will perform like a gem with the 32. My buddy put a D4 in his 23 Parker and he gets about the same performance as the 32. He does have a little faster cruise, but burns the same amount of fuel. He did have signifigant probs with the computer controll module.

Let me know if you have any questions

Josh

[scuttlebutt]

Check that please. 3 gal per hour? How about 3 miles per gal. If you do 20 kts are you telling me that you get 7miles per gal.? Don't think so. If you did, you have a new invention there. 3 gals per hour means you are only going 9kts or less. You said you cruise at 20.
,

[pumphouse]

Larry, I too had a 23 with a kad32. Mine was an express. Awesome motor and what a great combo!! I agree its scary to buy one of the new Dseries not knowing what to expect or how there going to last. Less cubic inches and more HP is very scary. I would tend to think they wont last as long, but time will tell. The other thing thats really scary is that they have had a lot of problems with the electronic controls on the kad44 and thats what all the Dseries have. Havent heard of any problems yet, but there arent enough out I dont think.

[noquestion25]

It works out to 3.68 gals per hour at 20 kts. That is an average for a trip . taking into consideration trolling and ideling.

[scuttlebutt]

That sounds about right with your ideling and slow trolling. If you went from point A to point B at 20kts you probably would have about a little over 2 miles per gal. I plan all trips at how much fuel I use by miles per gal. not by gals. per hour. Can eventually get you into trouble if you make say a 120 mile run south for tuna then run back. Like to plan my gas usage not taking into consideration of trolling and short stops but by distance traveled. I feel more comfortable that way.

[Secret Spot]

Below is one corespondence I had with an outfit up in Oregon. I was looking for pricing and feedback regarding the same:

Thank you for your inquiry. The information below was provided by Volvo Penta. It looks like the D3 could work. The total cost for the package is $22,661. This includes the prop set and single station gauges.



The D3-190a DPS in a 23' 5000lb boat show a speed about 40.5mph with F6's. Realistic weight with fuel, gear, people etc. is more like 7000lbs, which slows it down to 32.5mph with F4's.

A 5.7Gi at 280hp with a DPS shows 46mph with F4's. And at 7000lbs more like 36mph



Thanks again,

Renée Dykes, General Manager

Cook Engine & Company, Inc.

(503)289-8466 (503)286-2836 Fax



-----Original Message-----
From: res0vhgr [mailto:res0vhgr@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 8:58 PM
To: sales@cookengine.com
Subject: Volvo D3 190 DP



What are you offering the Volvo D3 DP package for ($). Does the package include controls, gauges, and harness?



Also, I have a 23 Blackman Billfisher. The dry weight is approximately 4600 lbs. I presently have a 1995 Volvo 5.7 GSI DP approx. 260 hp. Will the D3 190 DP package work for this type of application?



Thanks,



Larry

[NoSlack]

Those are some pretty impresive numbers for a diesel. Are your numbers close to what he estimated with the 5.7 gas engine?

Mike

[Secret Spot]

Mike, my performance has been closer to the second more realistic set of numbers for a gas package. I have opened the Secret Spot up to approximately 34-35mph in optimal conditions. However, speed is not what I am looking for. Running conservatively with a top speed 22kts at approximately 2800 rpms, I avg. less that 2 miles a gallon. Additionally, I found diesels to provide a lot more stability and low end power, while my gasser flucuates (rpm & speed) considerably in bumby stuff and a following sea. I would like to get my mpg up around 3. That would increase my range at least 33%.

Larry

[Salsipuedes]

Below is one corespondence I had with an outfit up in Oregon. I was looking for pricing and feedback regarding the same:

Thank you for your inquiry. The information below was provided by Volvo Penta. It looks like the D3 could work. The total cost for the package is $22,661. This includes the prop set and single station gauges.



The D3-190a DPS in a 23' 5000lb boat show a speed about 40.5mph with F6's. Realistic weight with fuel, gear, people etc. is more like 7000lbs, which slows it down to 32.5mph with F4's.

A 5.7Gi at 280hp with a DPS shows 46mph with F4's. And at 7000lbs more like 36mph



Thanks again,

Renée Dykes, General Manager

Cook Engine & Company, Inc.

(503)289-8466 (503)286-2836 Fax



-----Original Message-----
From: res0vhgr [mailto:res0vhgr@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 8:58 PM
To: sales@cookengine.com
Subject: Volvo D3 190 DP



What are you offering the Volvo D3 DP package for ($). Does the package include controls, gauges, and harness?



Also, I have a 23 Blackman Billfisher. The dry weight is approximately 4600 lbs. I presently have a 1995 Volvo 5.7 GSI DP approx. 260 hp. Will the D3 190 DP package work for this type of application?



Thanks,



Larry

I talked with my trusted Volvo parts source, McDonnell Marince in Connecticutt specifically about the D3 engine and its longevity. They said it's a light weight car engine, good for about 3,000 hours and not rebuildable.

[Secret Spot]

I hate to sound so ignorant! But I am... So, why do fresh water cooled engines(gas or diesel), in a boat, operated at low rpms, last far less hours than the same engine in a car or truck under stop and go heavy load conditions?

[DOGHOUSE26]

On my new Ford F250 PSD I check the hourmeter frequently for a miles/hours ratio and it looks like 45,000 = 1000 hrs. This is by running an engine @ 2200 RPM cruise when the redline is 3300. Our boats cruise @ 3000-3400 with a 3900 redline. We're running our trucks @ 66% every day, our boats are run @ 80% maybe once a week average. 5000 hrs on a PSD would equal approx 225,000 with this ratio; I've had 2 with over 305,000 still running strong! It's hard to get 5000 out of a high rev marine diesel. I think we just push a heavier load with a Blackman!

[Time Out]

Some boats are carring more weight than others (jeff):p

[Knot Now]

We all look pretty FAT to me.